I'm curious of the perspective of anyone who has done consistent rolling either 48s or 72s for a long time (like weeks) with single meal refeeds. I have some analysis below, but first a couple questions:
(1) Did you find, after a while, the usual difficulties on the first two days (so basically all fasted days) got easier and less like the first two days of a long fast after a long refeed?
(2) Did you notice any diminished returns in fat loss or slower metabolism after prolonged rolling fasts?
(3) Normally on longer fasts I am very careful with what I eat on refeed (lots of bone broth, probiotics, miso soup, pickled ginger soft entry with a meal to follow an hour or so later, meal being mostly fish and veg). Does anyone just make what they feel like/are craving for the refeed (within reason of course unless it is intentionally a cheat)? How does that go for the stomach and......let's say the other end.....issues?
What I've been noticing is that there isn't a HUGE difference between three rolling 72s and a 10 day extended fast, especially if your already partially fasted. Here is what I mean. First, to go from a fully fed (so lots of eating for a few days, having reserves of sugar in muscle/organs etc) to fully fasted is about 2 days on average. For the average male, every fully fasted day uses about 0.5 lbs of fat per day.
For me, on refeeds, I'm doing one meal, obviously large but not crazy and always healthy food (fish, lots of veg, etc) but not worrying about calories. My guess is I'm getting below a daily amount on this. So given before this, I'm at a fully fasted state, this meal won't be enough to completely replenish the excess sugar stores. This means, one should count on a single meal refeed in the next 72 hr fast only the first day conservatively not being fully fat adapted. That leaves about 1 lb of fat used per 72, or about 3 lbs on a 10 day period. In contrast, for a 10 day extended fast, one gets only the last 8 days (maybe 9) as fully fat adapted and that's 4 lbs. Not _too_ different on that front, however on the 72 one gets 3 refeeds to restore nutrients and some might find that smaller window easier or even better, the whole thing is just less stressful overall on the body. If longer term that method doesn't show appreciable change to metabolism, it does also offer those of us who break for social reasons to be more agile. I can't seem to think of _clear_ benefits of the extended model to this one. Especially when the extra 1 lb difference is easily made up.
I've done some rolling fasts, but only 1-3 in a row before doing another extended fast. So I'm most interested in the perspectives of those that have continued rolling for a long time and how they feel plateaus and other effects went.
Context: By fast, I mean a strict water, black coffee, black tea with no alterations. I use vitamin/mineral electrolytes (Multi-vitamine, B-complex, phyllium husk, vitamin D, Mag, Phos) by pill and the only "breaks" I allow are either a shot of ACV or whatever comes from the supplements.
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I consider this question a lot myself. I think there are pros and cons. With extended fasts, you only have to get through the toughest days (the first 3 for me) one time and then you sort of coast. With rolling fasts it can feel like constantly starting over means dealing with the hardest parts more often.
That said, it’s also easier to stay committed to my fasts when rolling shorter ones because I know I get to eat soon. And it makes managing social events around food easier.
I’ve seen anecdotal evidence that the weight loss can be about the same if you’re diligent. For example , on an extended fast I typically lose 2 pounds a day. I’m doing ADF right now and my overall loss for the week is comparable.
All in all I think its probably personal preference and it’s worth trying for yourself as an experiment. Good luck!
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I’ve been doing rolling 69-72 hr fasts for ~2 months:
- Yes. Definitely gets easier. The psychological desire/crave for food is quieted and the physical need for food becomes more clear. The best has been discovering & experiencing that distinction.
- No. The biggest losses happen during sleep. The amount of loss seems to depend upon my stress level and quality of sleep. I can almost predict if I will have a nice ‘drop’ when I wake up.
- Yes. I used to eat ‘whatever’ but now very conscious to eat healthier but never count calories. Switched Diet Coke to Soda water and Splenda to Stevia. Mostly crave/love salmon, quinoa & veggies. Been peeing out the back after each feed, but lately not much at all coming out. Not sure why (healthier food gets entirely consumed?)Also, SW/225 CW/202, loss=~0.53 lbs/day
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I’ve done rolling 72, but would refeed for a couple of days. Very successful.
However I was in ketosis still during my eating days because I ate real food low carbs. So didn’t lose anytime getting back into ketosis.
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The biggest benefit of an extended fast is autophagy which fully kicks in after 72 hours. My goal in fasting is autophagy so I aim for extended fasts. The more days above 3 that you’re able to last the more health benefits you get. I’d really like to do longer fasts but have to keep them at 7 days max, otherwise I lose too much weight and it’s really hard to get back to healthy weight. I’m 150 lbs at 6ft, so still in healthy range, but after 7 days I get uncomfortably close to being underweight.
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I never fasted for more than 80 hours, though I have seen that towards the end of the fast I am less concentrated.
Since being sharp is crucial for my day job, and I do not take time off for fasting - I can’t see how a 10 day fast would be realistic with my lifestyle.
At the end of the day, I am trying to build a routine that I can maintain, and not have a one off experience.
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The first couple of days of a fast are the hardest for me so extended is preferable than suffering for 3 days at regular intervals.
Other than weight loss it’s difficult to measure the other benefits. What approach is best varies from person to person based on their goals and various lifestyle factors.