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so...zero calories or not?

I've only done one 24 hour fast and one 30 hour fast since transitioning from a month of 16:8 IF. I've done lots of research but am confused. I've been having about 300 calories per fast (heavy whipping cream) aka 100 calories about 8-12 hours. I recently read [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/fasting/comments/v9ts9u/fasting_and_craving/ic0moh6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) (click link or see below) I drink tons of green tea and camomile tea, two cups of decaf instant coffee and sometimes one cup of caffeinated coffee. I get about 2L of plain water a day as well. I did drink broth once, from a bouillon cube. I take Fasting Salts pills and I don't feel hunger during the day. Do I need to be at zero calories to benefit from a fast ? I could cut out the calories from creamer, but I don't understand whether it will break a fast or not. I feel dumb asking this, but there's a lot of conflicting info out there. thanks :) "So if I'm reading correct the only thing you're taking in is bone broth. This is not really "fasting" but actually a very low calorie diet. Because you're taking in good, but very little, you're triggering an insulin response which causes your body to actually starve versus fast. This causes cravings and imbalances and will make life harder. It's best to actually truly fast and not trigger an insulin response. This causes your body to go into repair mode and truly fast. Otherwise it will always be hard."

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dr Jason Fung says anything 50 cal and below doesn’t break a fast. The thing is, you do what works best for you. I personally wouldn’t go up to 300 cals but if that’s helping you commit, then why not. Maybe in a few weeks, you’ll be able to do less.

I switch to half and half for my coffees during a fast which is about 40 cals.

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I see this type of confusion so often, can we just sticky this somehow or at it to the FAQ?

OP, here is the skinny. Fasting means “insulin free” regions of time. Anything you eat that triggers an insulin response (some ‘0 calorie” things will do this) technically breaks a fast. For this reason, many advocate only water, black coffee, unaltered tea as those do not trigger insulin responses.

Something people get wrong on this sub often is that they equate an insulin response with “ending a fast” and imply that all insulin responses are the same. They aren’t. If you take in a very small amount of food/caloric rich liquid (e.g., bone broth or a bit of honey in your tea, bulletproof coffee, or a shot of ACV etc), you will have an insulin response but it is not the same as if you ate a “meal”. Meaning within 24 hours, if you have say 30 minutes where insulin is high enough to prevent fat burn, then okay you didn’t get a 24 hour fast, but c’mon! This is way some use “dirty fasting” effectively and I advocate everyone needs to figure out what works best for them. This does not “ruin” anything.

The last point that people make is about starvation mode and here they are loosely referencing the Minnesota experiment. If one eats enough carbs at a sever caloric deficit frequently enough to keep insulin relatively high in the bloodstream, then this will prevent the body from switching to body fat but still stay at a caloric deficit – a horrible situation. Basically, it takes eating/triggering an insulin response multiple times a day to do this.

You’re one cup of bone broth will not put you in starvation mode, nor will it completely erraticate your fat burn/weight loss during your “fasting” periods. Purists will gatekeep, but haters gonna hate. You do you. Whatever works to keep you rolling is what’s important.

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Anything with calories will break your fast. Now, there are different types of “fasts” that aren’t true fasts but instead restrict calories in various ways and with various types of foods (e.g. bone broth, liquid fasts). But those don’t have the same benefits an actual fast would, and are just an extreme caloric deficit for weight loss.

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Water fasting is simple, don’t eat for a period of time. Counting calories is a waste of time, calories = energy, which is bad for weight loss, but important if you are very active or doing hard labor or do tons of sports, or sick. People will always gatekeep things like fasting and sticking to certain diets. Just find what works for you, and if you eat, eat something nutritious.